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Posted by oldcurmudgeonstudios grognard262
#176

grognard262 wrote:
watchdog wrote:
I’m not sure I understand how quoting Gen Con’s policy statement in an event description is in conflict with Gen Con standing by that policy statement. 

Some people want to "request" masks, which is different from "recommend" masks.  It is a way to exert social pressure on people to wear masks above and beyond the recommendation.  Basically, they are signaling that you are not welcome at their table unless you are wearing one.

And, to me, that's just fine. The social pressure works both ways, if no one signs up for your event because of your request, then you might want to re-think it for 2024.

And, without snark, the White House just said they're planning on ending the emergency on May 11th.

Posted by mikeboozer pholtus
#177

pholtus wrote:
"If any participant (player or GM) becomes disruptive, please alert your nearest Event HQ or contact GM HQ for assistance immediately." 
You mean the GM HQ that isn't in the same hotel were I am running games. This part of the policy is the biggest joke and only going to lead to GMs and EOs being put in crossfire and possibly risky situations. 

If you have concerns as a GM/EO you should contact [email protected]

Mike

Posted by mrshiny
#178

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Posted by gib_rebeg oldcurmudgeonstudios
#179

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Posted by mikeboozer
#180

gib_rebeg 

We're not going down this rabbit hole. Not getting political here.

Mike

Posted by dljuly3
#181

Immensely disappointed that GenCon has chosen to listen to the vocal minority on this and no longer protect its vulnerable in the community. Been attending for well over a decade. Not sure I will be attending going forward given the discussions in here over "protecting" those who wish to not wear a mask and GenCons clear signals toward allowing that. 

Posted by toxic_rat dljuly3
#182

dljuly3 wrote:
Immensely disappointed that GenCon has chosen to listen to the vocal minority on this and no longer protect its vulnerable in the community. Been attending for well over a decade. Not sure I will be attending going forward given the discussions in here over "protecting" those who wish to not wear a mask and GenCons clear signals toward allowing that. 

It's hard to call this a vocal minority, when it would appear that an overwhelming majority or people and events are not wearing or requiring masks.  Even the US Federal Government appears to be poised to declare an "end" to the pandemic status.

Posted by tpir mikeboozer
#183

mikeboozer wrote:
Q&A information:
What happens if I go to an event, and they ask me to wear a mask and I refuse to do so? 
Wearing a mask at the convention is optional, so the EO cannot require that you wear a mask at their event. With this in mind, we request that you and the EO are polite to one another while you resolve the matter. However, if the EO persists, you should contact the nearest Event HQ to have them resolve the situation. Alternatively, in order to ensure that GM and players are comfortable, it is probably best to find another event without this request.    (highlighting is my own here)
Mike, thank you for listening to all voices in formulating this policy and Q&A.  While I'm sure it wasn't the intent, what this has done is create a disconnect between show policy and sub-policy within the different aspects of the show.  GenCon policy states that all are welcome regardless of mask preference.  But this sub-policy states very clearly that this will not always apply.  Effectively this creates a situation where those who choose to wear masks are welcomed everywhere and those who do not might not be. Running the risk of being overly dramatic, it teeters on the edge of being discriminatory because it allows individuals in a position of authority to effectively exclude people for reasons that are not supported by the broader show policy. 

I understand that no policy is going to please everyone, but I figured I'd at least share a perspective that the team might not have considered.

Posted by traveller tpir
#184

danmcneill wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
Q&A information:
What happens if I go to an event, and they ask me to wear a mask and I refuse to do so? 
Wearing a mask at the convention is optional, so the EO cannot require that you wear a mask at their event. With this in mind, we request that you and the EO are polite to one another while you resolve the matter. However, if the EO persists, you should contact the nearest Event HQ to have them resolve the situation. Alternatively, in order to ensure that GM and players are comfortable, it is probably best to find another event without this request.    (highlighting is my own here)
Mike, thank you for listening to all voices in formulating this policy and Q&A.  While I'm sure it wasn't the intent, what this has done is create a disconnect between show policy and sub-policy within the different aspects of the show.  GenCon policy states that all are welcome regardless of mask preference.  But this sub-policy states very clearly that this will not always apply.  Effectively this creates a situation where those who choose to wear masks are welcomed everywhere and those who do not might not be. Running the risk of being overly dramatic, it teeters on the edge of being discriminatory because it allows individuals in a position of authority to effectively exclude people for reasons that are not supported by the broader show policy. I understand that no policy is going to please everyone, but I figured I'd at least share a perspective that the team might not have considered.

So I'm not clear on the issue you are trying to raise.  GC policy is that masks are not required.  You may wear a mask if you want or don't wear one if you don't want to.  You don't get to demand someone else wear/don't wear one.

Posted by donaldbain toxic_rat
#185


Can you post your preview copy of the event list ?  If you know the majority of event aren’t requiring masks, you must have one.  Amazing everyone got their events in so fast.

Knowing that everyone isn’t going to wear a mask is also impressive.  All the posts I’ve seen are 50-50.  Assuming what people that haven’t said what they are doing would be impossible of course.

 

Posted by toxic_rat donaldbain
#186

donaldbain wrote:
Can you post your preview copy of the event list ?  If you know the majority of event aren’t requiring masks, you must have one.  Amazing everyone got their events in so fast.Knowing that everyone isn’t going to wear a mask is also impressive.  All the posts I’ve seen are 50-50.  Assuming what people that haven’t said what they are doing would be impossible of course.
Sorry, this one is on me.  By "people and events" I was referring to the general population, and other large events, not GenCon specifically.  The trend everywhere is going/gone in the direction of not requiring masks.

Apologies for the confusion.

As for events, my own anecdotal information (as EO for about 20 GMs) is that we have gained several new GM's, and lost none due to this policy.  We are on track to host more player-hours than we did last year.  A very small sample, to be sure, but it is what I am seeing.

On the number of those that actually mask full time at the convention, my guess is that we'll see around 15%.  Much higher than the general population, but GenCon is a different group of people, so I think it will have more voluntary masking.

Posted by squirecam traveller
#187

traveller wrote:
danmcneill wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
Q&A information:
What happens if I go to an event, and they ask me to wear a mask and I refuse to do so? 
Wearing a mask at the convention is optional, so the EO cannot require that you wear a mask at their event. With this in mind, we request that you and the EO are polite to one another while you resolve the matter. However, if the EO persists, you should contact the nearest Event HQ to have them resolve the situation. Alternatively, in order to ensure that GM and players are comfortable, it is probably best to find another event without this request.    (highlighting is my own here)
Mike, thank you for listening to all voices in formulating this policy and Q&A.  While I'm sure it wasn't the intent, what this has done is create a disconnect between show policy and sub-policy within the different aspects of the show.  GenCon policy states that all are welcome regardless of mask preference.  But this sub-policy states very clearly that this will not always apply.  Effectively this creates a situation where those who choose to wear masks are welcomed everywhere and those who do not might not be. Running the risk of being overly dramatic, it teeters on the edge of being discriminatory because it allows individuals in a position of authority to effectively exclude people for reasons that are not supported by the broader show policy. I understand that no policy is going to please everyone, but I figured I'd at least share a perspective that the team might not have considered.

So I'm not clear on the issue you are trying to raise.  GC policy is that masks are not required.  You may wear a mask if you want or don't wear one if you don't want to.  You don't get to demand someone else wear/don't wear one.
The preferred option pursuant to the highlight is that if the GM wants masks and the player doesnt is for the player to leave and find another event to play.

Some might feel they are taking the blame and must give up the event they wanted, perhaps their only opportunity to play that game that weekend, despite them following all of the show policies. 

Posted by mikeboozer donaldbain
#188

donaldbain wrote:
Can you post your preview copy of the event list ?  If you know the majority of event aren’t requiring masks, you must have one.  Amazing everyone got their events in so fast.Knowing that everyone isn’t going to wear a mask is also impressive.  All the posts I’ve seen are 50-50.  Assuming what people that haven’t said what they are doing would be impossible of course.

"Everyone" did not get their events in, but many did. We usually have 15K to 20K events. Retroactively looking at all of them is not happening.

We do not post the event list until it has been vetted and ready. Confusion and chaos would ensue if we did that as changes that need to be made on so many fronts are required to be vetted.

The fact that many EO's have already submitted their Events and not inquired about asking to mask at the tables is telling.

Mike

Posted by mikeboozer squirecam
#189

squirecam wrote:
traveller wrote:
danmcneill wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
Q&A information:
What happens if I go to an event, and they ask me to wear a mask and I refuse to do so? 
Wearing a mask at the convention is optional, so the EO cannot require that you wear a mask at their event. With this in mind, we request that you and the EO are polite to one another while you resolve the matter. However, if the EO persists, you should contact the nearest Event HQ to have them resolve the situation. Alternatively, in order to ensure that GM and players are comfortable, it is probably best to find another event without this request.    (highlighting is my own here)
Mike, thank you for listening to all voices in formulating this policy and Q&A.  While I'm sure it wasn't the intent, what this has done is create a disconnect between show policy and sub-policy within the different aspects of the show.  GenCon policy states that all are welcome regardless of mask preference.  But this sub-policy states very clearly that this will not always apply.  Effectively this creates a situation where those who choose to wear masks are welcomed everywhere and those who do not might not be. Running the risk of being overly dramatic, it teeters on the edge of being discriminatory because it allows individuals in a position of authority to effectively exclude people for reasons that are not supported by the broader show policy. I understand that no policy is going to please everyone, but I figured I'd at least share a perspective that the team might not have considered.

So I'm not clear on the issue you are trying to raise.  GC policy is that masks are not required.  You may wear a mask if you want or don't wear one if you don't want to.  You don't get to demand someone else wear/don't wear one.
The preferred option pursuant to the highlight is that if the GM wants masks and the player doesnt is for the player to leave and find another event to play.Some might feel they are taking the blame and must give up the event they wanted, perhaps their only opportunity to play that game that weekend, despite them following all of the show policies. 

Gen Con have more faith that our attendees will find common ground. Believe me when I say that Gen Con has looked at this form all angles. 

Additionally we don't think this will have any impact on the vast majority of events. 

Mike

Posted by squirecam mikeboozer
#190

mikeboozer wrote:
squirecam wrote:
traveller wrote:
danmcneill wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
Q&A information:
What happens if I go to an event, and they ask me to wear a mask and I refuse to do so? 
Wearing a mask at the convention is optional, so the EO cannot require that you wear a mask at their event. With this in mind, we request that you and the EO are polite to one another while you resolve the matter. However, if the EO persists, you should contact the nearest Event HQ to have them resolve the situation. Alternatively, in order to ensure that GM and players are comfortable, it is probably best to find another event without this request.    (highlighting is my own here)
Mike, thank you for listening to all voices in formulating this policy and Q&A.  While I'm sure it wasn't the intent, what this has done is create a disconnect between show policy and sub-policy within the different aspects of the show.  GenCon policy states that all are welcome regardless of mask preference.  But this sub-policy states very clearly that this will not always apply.  Effectively this creates a situation where those who choose to wear masks are welcomed everywhere and those who do not might not be. Running the risk of being overly dramatic, it teeters on the edge of being discriminatory because it allows individuals in a position of authority to effectively exclude people for reasons that are not supported by the broader show policy. I understand that no policy is going to please everyone, but I figured I'd at least share a perspective that the team might not have considered.

So I'm not clear on the issue you are trying to raise.  GC policy is that masks are not required.  You may wear a mask if you want or don't wear one if you don't want to.  You don't get to demand someone else wear/don't wear one.
The preferred option pursuant to the highlight is that if the GM wants masks and the player doesnt is for the player to leave and find another event to play.Some might feel they are taking the blame and must give up the event they wanted, perhaps their only opportunity to play that game that weekend, despite them following all of the show policies. 

Gen Con have more faith that our attendees will find common ground. Believe me when I say that Gen Con has looked at this form all angles. Additionally we don't think this will have any impact on the vast majority of events. 
Mike
I would wear a mask if asked and I hope you are correct on this. 

Posted by armored badger
#191

Does this affect things that are controlled by Gen Con, such as the auction and the game library?

I don't suspect it will, just asking for clarification.

Posted by mikeboozer armored badger
#192

armored badger wrote:
Does this affect things that are controlled by Gen Con, such as the auction and the game library?

It does not. Only Events.

Posted by tpir traveller
#193

traveller wrote:
danmcneill wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
Q&A information:
What happens if I go to an event, and they ask me to wear a mask and I refuse to do so? 
Wearing a mask at the convention is optional, so the EO cannot require that you wear a mask at their event. With this in mind, we request that you and the EO are polite to one another while you resolve the matter. However, if the EO persists, you should contact the nearest Event HQ to have them resolve the situation. Alternatively, in order to ensure that GM and players are comfortable, it is probably best to find another event without this request.    (highlighting is my own here)
Mike, thank you for listening to all voices in formulating this policy and Q&A.  While I'm sure it wasn't the intent, what this has done is create a disconnect between show policy and sub-policy within the different aspects of the show.  GenCon policy states that all are welcome regardless of mask preference.  But this sub-policy states very clearly that this will not always apply.  Effectively this creates a situation where those who choose to wear masks are welcomed everywhere and those who do not might not be. Running the risk of being overly dramatic, it teeters on the edge of being discriminatory because it allows individuals in a position of authority to effectively exclude people for reasons that are not supported by the broader show policy. I understand that no policy is going to please everyone, but I figured I'd at least share a perspective that the team might not have considered.

So I'm not clear on the issue you are trying to raise.  GC policy is that masks are not required.  You may wear a mask if you want or don't wear one if you don't want to.  You don't get to demand someone else wear/don't wear one.
Yes, that's my point exactly.  But in this instance EOs can "soft demand" that someone wear one because the options are either you choose to wear one if asked or find a different event to play in.  I guess there's a third option of politely decline and spend the next 2-4 hours immersed in an awkward situation, but that's not really a good option.

Posted by kevinrg mikeboozer
#194

mikeboozer wrote:
armored badger wrote:
Does this affect things that are controlled by Gen Con, such as the auction and the game library?

It does not. Only Events.

You buy tickets to the library so, is that not an event?  So the library could put the 'requested' notation if they so desired.  (Not that I expect them to)

Posted by armored badger kevinrg
#195

kevinrg wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
armored badger wrote:
Does this affect things that are controlled by Gen Con, such as the auction and the game library?

It does not. Only Events.

You buy tickets to the library so, is that not an event?  So the library could put the 'requested' notation if they so desired.  (Not that I expect them to)

It is my understanding that the library's EO is Gen Con and that they would go with the same thought as the exhibit hall, which is to follow the policy listed in Health and Safety

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