Health and Safety Info 2023
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Posted by roncarver
#26

If they require masks again this year, I am DONE with Gencon.  I have been every single year it has been in Indy, except of course 2020. :)  but that will come to an end if they require masks again.  I will never attend again.  

I am about 3/4 not wanting to attend after they required masks last year.  Fortunately most people outside of the convention center pretty much ignored it unless a game was going on, so it wasn't so bad.  I just didn't spend very much time in the CC.  

I spent FAR less money than normal last year and in 2021 because of the draconian mask policies when nowhere else in town required them.  I would like to get back to spending several grand at vendors, it is 100% up to Gencon and how political they want to continue to be with their convention.  

 

Posted by donaldbain roncarver
#27

roncarver wrote:
If they require masks again this year, I am DONE with Gencon. 
 
Oh no!!!  Anyway...

Posted by ytuni
#28

I work in healthcare and the hospital no longer requires masking of employees. Unless, you're having direct contact with a known infectious patient but that's the same for any patient with an illness that can be spread via respiratory droplets. Since Gen Con has dropped their requirement, I highly doubt they will reinstate it. We're all grown adults who can make our own decisions about our health.  

Posted by kevinrg
#29

Wording wrapped around potential public health requirements is probably going to be standard wording for events/tickets for many things for the foreseeable future.    I have a concert this weekend that it pops up with 'check your local venue for requirements'

Not sure I would view this as some type of thing that Gencon would reverse course on just for the heck of it.  "Mwahahaha!  Got em!'      Once sales start I anticipate that this will be the policy barring some event.  Just like in 2021, I never expected them to change course.

Posted by cinnibar
#30

Yep,  and if there is an 'event' and the wisdom (or vendor demand) is to have masks,  then I expect Gen Con will act.   Regardless of how many people at the street corner outside weren't wearing them we want to point out.   We're grown adults.
 

Posted by mikeboozer kevinrg
#31

kevinrg wrote:
Wording wrapped around potential public health requirements is probably going to be standard wording for events/tickets for many things for the foreseeable future.    I have a concert this weekend that it pops up with 'check your local venue for requirements'
Not sure I would view this as some type of thing that Gencon would reverse course on just for the heck of it.  "Mwahahaha!  Got em!'      Once sales start I anticipate that this will be the policy barring some event.  Just like in 2021, I never expected them to change course.
 
We will indeed not be changing course unless there is a large enough change in the conditions. It's not something anyone can predict so it makes it impossible to make any guarantees. 

Most large venues have this stipulation in place now.

Mike

Posted by watchdog mikeboozer
#32

mikeboozer wrote:
donaldbain wrote:
I wonder if there will be exceptions allowed, like Paizo requiring masks in the Sagamore?

There will not be exceptions to our policies for attendees.That said we encourage everyone to get vaccinated (If you can) and wear masks depending on your comfort level.
To be clear what they require for their own employees is completely up to them.
Mike
Mike, will EOs be permitted to use language like “masks requested” in event descriptions?

Posted by grognard262 watchdog
#33

watchdog wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
donaldbain wrote:
I wonder if there will be exceptions allowed, like Paizo requiring masks in the Sagamore?

There will not be exceptions to our policies for attendees.That said we encourage everyone to get vaccinated (If you can) and wear masks depending on your comfort level.
To be clear what they require for their own employees is completely up to them.
Mike
Mike, will EOs be permitted to use language like “masks requested” in event descriptions?

That sounds like an attempt to work around the policy, replacing a requirement to wear masks with social pressure to do so.  Anyone who showed up to a "masks requested" event without one would be subjected to a certain degree of contempt by the others.

Posted by donaldbain watchdog
#34

watchdog wrote:Mike, will EOs be permitted to use language like “masks requested” in event descriptions?
Sounds like no:

https://www.gencon.com/forums/100-general-info-2023/topics/18294-health-and-safety-info-2023?page=1#84964

Posted by watchdog
#35

I read Mike’s earlier post. I know the masks can’t be required of attendees. I’m asking if EOs can request attendees wear them. 

Posted by watchdog grognard262
#36

grognard262 wrote:
watchdog wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
donaldbain wrote:
I wonder if there will be exceptions allowed, like Paizo requiring masks in the Sagamore?

There will not be exceptions to our policies for attendees.That said we encourage everyone to get vaccinated (If you can) and wear masks depending on your comfort level.
To be clear what they require for their own employees is completely up to them.
Mike
Mike, will EOs be permitted to use language like “masks requested” in event descriptions?

That sounds like an attempt to work around the policy, replacing a requirement to wear masks with social pressure to do so.  Anyone who showed up to a "masks requested" event without one would be subjected to a certain degree of contempt by the others.
Mike’s post uses similar language: “That said we encourage everyone to get vaccinated (If you can) and wear masks depending on your comfort level.” Is “requested” the word you have issues with, or would you have the same issue with “Masks encouraged” in an event description? 

Posted by lanogironu
#37

  grognard262 wrote:

watchdog wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
donaldbain wrote:
I wonder if there will be exceptions allowed, like Paizo requiring masks in the Sagamore?

There will not be exceptions to our policies for attendees.That said we encourage everyone to get vaccinated (If you can) and wear masks depending on your comfort level.
To be clear what they require for their own employees is completely up to them.
Mike
Mike, will EOs be permitted to use language like “masks requested” in event descriptions?

That sounds like an attempt to work around the policy, replacing a requirement to wear masks with social pressure to do so.  Anyone who showed up to a "masks requested" event without one would be subjected to a certain degree of contempt by the others.

Circumventing would be requiring or excluding them. Anyone who shows up to a "mask requested" event knowingly without a mask is probably a jerk and deserving of the contempt. As "never mask" people like to say, we're all adults and make our own decisions. 

Posted by kevinrg
#38

I very much doubt that you will be able to make requests to do something outside any of Gencon's policies.   If their policy is mask/vax optional, you won't be able to make it required or even put in a request for it any more than you could say 'smoking/vaping is ok at the table'

Last year a table could not vote to remove masks either so, same concept, just the opposite.

Posted by matthias9 lanogironu
#39

 
 

Anyone who shows up to a "mask requested" event knowingly without a mask is probably a jerk and deserving of the contempt. 

If that's true, aren't you de facto requiring them?

Posted by lanogironu matthias9
#40

helenbb wrote:Agreed. If masks are requested, I will politely decline. If that makes me a jerk, then I'm sure that I won't be the only one.

That's not really what I was saying if I understand you correctly. I'm saying if you see an event with "masking requested" (hypothetical, I don't think that's gonna be allowed), and still sign up buying a ticket knowing full and well you won't wear a mask then you're very likely a jerk/narcissist. Politely declining to buy a ticket for that event is different and I'd have no issue with that. 
matthias9 wrote:If that's true, aren't you de facto requiring them?

Not really, but sure if you interpret it that way. I don't see why that would be a problem besides GenCon not wanting to deal with the whining. It seems like a group of people that "are all about choice" really aren't for Event Organizers having a choice on masking for their events they put together and run.

Posted by roderick
#41

Okay, guys, we've been over this ground a lot in the past three years. Enough!

If this sort of nattering continues, I'll lock the thread. 

Roderick Robertson
Forum Coordinator 
Gen Con, LLC. 

 

Posted by watchdog
#42

Before the thread gets locked, can anyone from Gen Con please either answer my question or direct me to the person who can?

I wasn’t posting a hypothetical. I have GMs in my group who are on the fence about attending and I’m sure I’m not the only EO in this position. Event submission already started, badges go on sale Sunday, Early Bird deadline is less than three weeks away, and some of my people need to put in vacation requests at work.

I would appreciate a response from someone at Gen Con. Thank you.

Posted by mikeboozer watchdog
#43

watchdog wrote:
Before the thread gets locked, can anyone from Gen Con please either answer my question or direct me to the person who can?
I wasn’t posting a hypothetical. I have GMs in my group who are on the fence about attending and I’m sure I’m not the only EO in this position. Event submission already started, badges go on sale Sunday, Early Bird deadline is less than three weeks away, and some of my people need to put in vacation requests at work.
I would appreciate a response from someone at Gen Con. Thank you.

Hello watchdog, we will have an answer by the end of this week.

Let's keep it civil folks.
Even if the thread needs to be locked I can still unlock it to provide the answer here so no worries there. 

Mike Boozer
Customer Service Manager
Gen Con LLC

 

Posted by squirecam lanogironu
#44

lanigironu wrote:
helenbb wrote:Agreed. If masks are requested, I will politely decline. If that makes me a jerk, then I'm sure that I won't be the only one.

That's not really what I was saying if I understand you correctly. I'm saying if you see an event with "masking requested" (hypothetical, I don't think that's gonna be allowed), and still sign up buying a ticket knowing full and well you won't wear a mask then you're very likely a jerk/narcissist. Politely declining to buy a ticket for that event is different and I'd have no issue with that. 
matthias9 wrote:If that's true, aren't you de facto requiring them?

Not really, but sure if you interpret it that way. I don't see why that would be a problem besides GenCon not wanting to deal with the whining. It seems like a group of people that "are all about choice" really aren't for Event Organizers having a choice on masking for their events they put together and run.
This was what Origins was going to do before the backlash, and it was going to be a nightmare. You really can’t have individual GM policies without having a lot of staff who will then be forced to mediate the dispute. What if the attendee simply won’t agree to mask. Are they prohibited from playing? What if the other gamers exclude or gang up on that person as “punishment” ? What if more people don’t want to mask but the one wanting masks is insistent upon it due to a medical concern?

I’ve been pro mask. But it can’t be left to individuals. And frankly everyone knows the rules we expect to have. If I had a medical concern then I would simply decide not to attend rather than expecting everyone to make an exception for me. The same way I expected the no mask people last year to either not attend or mask up. Because that was the policy.

I just see a lot of problems if it’s left up to individual GM’s.

Posted by lehane
#45

If Gencon does allow individual tables to set their own rules, can we at least get an option put in the event search engine to screen out either for masks required or not required on events?

I personally don't want anything to do with the drama once it comes time to sit down and game. The last thing I care for is a poisonous atmosphere in one of the places I expect not to have to tolerate it. 

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