Auction
Posted by ytuni

Is there any news yet as to whether or not the auction will be going on this year? We need to cull our collection.

Posted by quarex

It will be back as in 2022, yes.

Posted by kevinrg

If you haven't been to the auction since 2019 there have been a few tweaks. 

Auction items need to be approved 1st (they were trying to limit the TOVA section and things that just historically don't sell) and there was a cutoff date to submit auction items several weeks before the usual Sunday before Gencon cutoff time.  After that, only store items could be submitted up until that Sunday before.

Also, the consignment store bumped to $75 limit.

I assume there might be a few more tweaks this year, but details usually don't come up until late May/early June when they turn on submissions at the site.

 

Posted by random_axcess

to piggy back off this so as to not create a separate topic.

Last year the auction was looking for volunteers and with all the Shenanigans that recently happened with WotC and some GenCon drama the company I work for will be sitting out this year. So I will have a lot of extra free time, does anyone know if they usually post on the auction website for volunteers or is it a separate thing?

Posted by kevinrg

Don't recall if they specifically post.  I know they they are looking for people so, I would say reach out to Katie Fountaine at [email protected] 

Posted by quarex

That is probably still the proper address, though Katie is taking a year off running the Auction so you will likely be speaking to one of the other two people in charge.

And speaking solely as a longish-time volunteer I am fairly certain we have never gotten close to having "too many volunteers" so the more the merrier!

Posted by ndgeekboy

I'm planning on putting some DVDs into the Auction Store. What's the policy on R-rated shows?

Posted by kevinrg ndgeekboy

ndgeekboy wrote:
I'm planning on putting some DVDs into the Auction Store. What's the policy on R-rated shows?

Should be ok, I've seen things like Army of Darkness and such in the store.  I wouldn't be bring in things like Eyes Wide Shut or 50 Shades though.   From a pure seller standpoint, I probably wouldn't bring DVDs in unless they were unique, box sets, imports, collector's edition, etc.

Generally a good rule of thumb is, if you can find it in the vendor hall you can sell it in the consignment store.  No weapons (other than I think padded SCA/LARP stuff), porn or mildewed stuff.

 

Posted by darksandpiper

Same Process for pre-approvals as last year?

Posted by zaphod

I really wish they would expand the space for the auction store and auction. It's such a giant mess and almost impossible to browse without waiting hours and then getting crammed in. It's also run in an extremely disorganized way, with incredibly short hours for dropping off items on Wed and picking them up on Sunday. It would be great to see a real company come in and do this properly with proper staff, good software, and ample space.

Last year I had to wait 40 minutes to get a sign to bid, but then there was no place to sit down or stand. Then I went to the auction store line, waiting 2 hours and then they cut off the line, even while the auctions were going. 

Posted by kevinrg zaphod

zaphod wrote:
I really wish they would expand the space for the auction store and auction. It's such a giant mess and almost impossible to browse without waiting hours and then getting crammed in. It's also run in an extremely disorganized way, with incredibly short hours for dropping off items on Wed and picking them up on Sunday. It would be great to see a real company come in and do this properly with proper staff, good software, and ample space.
Last year I had to wait 40 minutes to get a sign to bid, but then there was no place to sit down or stand. Then I went to the auction store line, waiting 2 hours and then they cut off the line, even while the auctions were going. 

Quarex can correct me since he volunteers, but this is my take on these items from being a buyer at the auction for a number of years and talking to staff.   A 10,000 foot view with generalizations of I'm in line too long or don't like the drop off hours undercuts what they all do and how it all comes together.

1.  Space : I believe they are tied to the space that Gencon gives them.   There is a desire to get more space, but it is what it is. I almost get the feeling that GC views the auction as a necessary evil.   They are under constraints from GC for a number of things.

2.  Drop off hours.   Once again, I believe this is tied to what GC allows for Wednesday.  You can drop off at any time though Thu-Sat.

3.  No place to stand/sit and the cut off comment, that sounds like  you were there late Saturday when TOVA is going on.  That is by far the most popular segment and draws people in and packs the place.   Otherwise there usually is enough space for other slots.    Saturday they draw a line for stoppage to get in the store because they need to get ready for the charity event and also start pulling things together for a Sunday pickup.     The lines to get in the store in 2022 have been the longest I've seen.  I assume part of that was no auction in 3 years so, people were really wanting to get in.

4.  I really don't know what you mean by a 'real company'.   Gencon auction is run purely with volunteer hours that do the best they can do because they enjoy it.   You bring a 'real company' in (whatever that is) you are probably looking at 1,000 man hours of coverage and expensive (not counting whatever they spend outside the convention hours working with GC, setting up the DB, storing equipment, etc) and they sure will be charging more to sell things and I doubt they will have the depth of knowledge for Gencon auctions/items/history and it would probably turn into a sterile environment.   Bottom line, GC auction/consignment exists because of volunteers.

They know the limitations and they are constantly trying to improve the process over the years.   Some items are just simply out of their hands.
 

Posted by kevinrg darksandpiper

darksandpiper wrote:
Same Process for pre-approvals as last year?

Hasn't been released yet.  Would tend to think yes unless they add to the process.

Posted by tdb zaphod

zaphod wrote:
I really wish they would expand the space for the auction store and auction. It's such a giant mess and almost impossible to browse without waiting hours and then getting crammed in. It's also run in an extremely disorganized way, with incredibly short hours for dropping off items on Wed and picking them up on Sunday. It would be great to see a real company come in and do this properly with proper staff, good software, and ample space.
Last year I had to wait 40 minutes to get a sign to bid, but then there was no place to sit down or stand. Then I went to the auction store line, waiting 2 hours and then they cut off the line, even while the auctions were going. 

Kevinrg covered most of this pretty well.  So I won't repeat their points.

I totally agree about space.  The auction really needs to grow a little.  A lot of the problems with crowding in the auction store simply come down to space.  Problem is, their location right across from the dealer hall is prime real estate, and lots of game companies would like to be there.  So getting another room from Gencon for expansion is going to be tough and/or costly.

"Real" auction companies charge the seller a lot more than the GC auction does.  And they charge "buyer's premiums" to boot, so the winning bidder pays more than they bid, and the seller gets a lot less.  That doesn't sound like an improvement to me.
 

Posted by quarex zaphod

zaphod wrote:I really wish they would expand the space for the auction store and auction. It's such a giant mess and almost impossible to browse without waiting hours and then getting crammed in. It's also run in an extremely disorganized way, with incredibly short hours for dropping off items on Wed and picking them up on Sunday. It would be great to see a real company come in and do this properly with proper staff, good software, and ample space.
Last year I had to wait 40 minutes to get a sign to bid, but then there was no place to sit down or stand. Then I went to the auction store line, waiting 2 hours and then they cut off the line, even while the auctions were going. 
The Auction has been asking for more space for as long as we have been in that space and it is really purely up to whoever at Gen-Con designs the convention center layout.  Certainly there have been rumours of moving (we were actually on the other side of the Indianapolis Convention Center from 2003-2011ish) and I think if we had even one more room we could largely solve the issue of the massively overcrowded Consignment Store (both making it easier to traverse and having more people in at a time), but we will know soon enough if there are any changes in that regard.

You can actually drop off items until Saturday morning as long as you pre-register them, though yes obviously doing it Wednesday before any selling has begun makes the most sense.  If you are putting something in the live auction and it is not a family board game, you would basically be safe to do it through about 11 Thursday morning, since we always start with a multi-hour section just to quickly get through the hundreds of family board games we always get, and everything else is still being sorted.

I think KevinRG and TDB both said things nicely about having a different company take over (well they made good points about the stuff I just talked about, too; you know what I mean).  A real auction company would have professional auctioneers, and you would be shocked how much of an expense just that would add (seemingly to the effect of another 10% off the top of any profit from sales), that is of course assuming a standard auction company would even be willing to work under the weird Gen-Con conditions for what I assume is a fairly small event in terms of overall money changing hands. Not that I am an expert on how much an "average" auction brings in.

You should definitely come check out the Auction in its slower periods though; I like auctioneering on Thursday and Friday afternoons in addition to my usual T.O.V.A./Charity sections because there will be like one or two people at most sitting in each row and the pace is usually very relaxed in comparison to the standing-room-only sections you are talking about.  I can envision, if we did ever get more space, slowly condensing the Consignment Store section over the course of Saturday to make room for more chairs for the big events in the evening?  Literally just making this up as I go along but it could be helpful.  I am definitely disappointed to hear it took 40 minutes to get a bidder card, though; I know we were down a computer or two last year, so hopefully whatever that was will not be repeated.

Posted by shibas

After attending the auction for many years I finally volunteered last year and it was a very busy but enjoyable time. So much so, I hope to do the same thing this year.

Posted by kevinrg quarex

 I am definitely disappointed to hear it took 40 minutes to get a bidder card, though; I know we were down a computer or two last year, so hopefully whatever that was will not be repeated.

Waiting until late Saturday to do anything is going to be a busy time.   At that time, many of the tabs are trying to clear out for the day because at that point, the auction is pretty much done save for TOVA/Charity so that sucks up alot of staff packing/verifying invoices.    There usually is someone manning the front area to just do bid cards so, 40 minutes is a little surprising.

For size, If they could get room 134 also, that would be huge.   Probably areas to move to, but like you mentioned, that is prime real estate.  You move to someplace like Lucas Oil, year one will probably have reduced traffic.

Posted by tdb kevinrg

kevinrg wrote:  You move to someplace like Lucas Oil, year one will probably have reduced traffic.

For sure.  One of the great things about the current auction location is that it's a nice place to sit down and hang out for a while when you're tired of walking the dealer hall.  I've randomly bought a bunch of stuff at the auction when I'm mostly just there for a break.  I doubt I'm the only person who does that either.

Posted by jerrytel

I will be replacing Katie this year as the point of contact for most things regarding the auction in 2023 and any questions regarding volunteers.

With that said, we have nothing to share currently on anything regarding the auction this year other than the following:

1. Yes - the same pre-approval process will be used again this year
2. Drop Off hours and other policies from previous years will still be in place at this time.
3. Keep an eye on the https://livegameauctions.com/ website for any further updates

Jerry

Posted by rogersba

Did anyone get email receipts from purchases at the charity auction last year? I would normally have them, but I don't see them for 2022. I think the credit card transactions came across as "SQ* THE PARTNERSHIP" and are marked as gift/donation on the transaction, but there's always been an email in past years.

Posted by jerrytel rogersba

rogersba wrote:
Did anyone get email receipts from purchases at the charity auction last year? I would normally have them, but I don't see them for 2022. I think the credit card transactions came across as "SQ* THE PARTNERSHIP" and are marked as gift/donation on the transaction, but there's always been an email in past years.

While there may have been a time in previous years where charity receipts were emailed (maybe on request), nothing was in place to do so in 2022.

Jerry

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